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For principals, it can be lonely at the top. So it’s always a relief to hear from educators who have been there, done that, and are doing more to advance their leadership. Join us as we discuss best practices, innovative strategies, and pressing topics for today’s pre-K–8 principal with fellow principals and special guests from the education community. This podcast is sponsored by the National Association of Elementary School Principals (NAESP). For more information, visit www.naesp.org.
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Monday May 26, 2025
STEM-Oriented Problem-Based Learning
Monday May 26, 2025
Monday May 26, 2025
Most school leaders will be familiar with PBL. But for principal Amy McElroy PBL means Problem-Based—not Project-Based—Learning. We discuss what the differences are and what it means for her school, and how this approach impacts her student's engagement and overall success.
Amie McElroy is elementary school director at STEM School in Highlands Ranch, Colorado.
Liz Garden is principal of Henry P. Clough Elementary school in Mendon Massachusetts, and serves as fellow at the NAESP Center for Innovative Leadership.
Scott McLeod is professor of educational leadership at the University of Colorado, Denver, and a fellow at the NAESP Center for Innovative Leadership.
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